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Obama trots out fear tactics again

January 18, 2013

Two years ago President Barack Obama warned that unless he got his way from Congress with an unqualified increase in the national debt ceiling, terrible things would happe....

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svensota

Jan-21-13 3:57 PM

MIT-O-Honorable-One: You're cheering for the SAN FRANCISCO 49ers?

Incredible!!!

Do you have any clue as to who lives in San Francisco?

Let me help you. Gays! Liberals! Arty-types! Lots of Asians, Mexicans--dang foreigners! People who support gay marriage. Gays who are married. Liberals who are gays. Gay liberal marrieds. Maybe even some Blacks and some poor. In other words, not your kind of folks.

Jeez, man. You should root for a Bible belt team, like the Falcons from 'lanta.

Oh, they lost.

Rats.

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BackFromTheDead

Jan-21-13 3:06 PM

MT: "It's interesting how the Left uses the term "fear tactics" whenever the Right raises a legitimate issue."

Actually, it appears that this article was written by "The Right," and was very much using the term "fear tactics" in response to "The Left."

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Hopetoday

Jan-21-13 1:47 PM

The middle class worker in New Ulm and the area have minimum wage as take home pay. (Not Kraft & 3M or AMPI ect. which get a fair take home pay plus Ins.) Time to stand up for a human living wage for all working people in our area.

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JReader

Jan-21-13 1:32 PM

Ok, Eaglesfan, just what has changed that gives Obama the justification for raising the debt limit today where it didn't apply in 2006 ? Congress approved both wars (including a majority of Democrats) and Obama ok'd the extension of the Bush tax cuts twice with the most recent revision kept in tact for everyone except the high earning $400,000 a year crowd.

So, just what is your point ?

Does requesting an increase in the debt limit really indicate failed leadership like you said in 2006 if so what is he going to do in 2013 to fix it ? Or, was he not being truthful in 2006 when he made those comments ?

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EaglesFan

Jan-21-13 1:04 PM

Yeah, those two unfunded wars and tax cuts are a b!tch, aren't they, JReader?

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JReader

Jan-21-13 9:55 AM

"I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies."

These were spoken by Senator Barak Obama in 2006 before he voted against raising the debt ceiling.

So, what has changed since then where it now becomes critical for congress to vote yes in 2013 where he was fundementally opposed to raisning it in 2006 ?

The only change is he now occupies the Whitehouse. So, that in Obama's eyes is the only reason it now becomes justified.

Hypocricy at it's finest.

There are indeed some things that have changed. Record number of people on food stamps, jobless recovery, Highest debt level we've ever had, greatest level of deficits. Quite a legacy.

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EaglesFan

Jan-21-13 9:46 AM

Michael, who do you think is already paying for healthcare coverage for all of your rich friends' minimum wage employees?

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Auntydem

Jan-21-13 9:03 AM

Empty: I see. You can simply divine political opponents’ actual motives, so something to back it up is not necessary for you, even as you demand it for what others say. You simply reject actions of republicans which match their stated positions as other people's inability to understand nuances. That makes it easy for you to ignore facts that interfere with your opinion and put down the people who disagree. We get it.

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Auntydem

Jan-20-13 10:17 PM

Empty: You stated "Obama is pushing the country to economic collapse, which is exactly what some people feel he is trying to do." Did you research his exact statements to see if he is being misrepresented, or did you just accept that one?

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svensota

Jan-20-13 8:45 PM

MIT-O-Honorable-One: Please forgive me. Your analysis of the European economic situation versus the United States was enlightening.

I didn't realize that all the numbers were backwards, as you so carefully pointed out, because they are on celsius and we are on fahrenheit.

Oh, my gosh, had I only known!

Keep up the insightful thinking!!!

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Auntydem

Jan-20-13 5:30 PM

Empty: And yet Haley repeatedly said "unions", Bachmann and Paul did not stutter, and at least one republican (as you requested) proposed a law to end child labor laws in her state. I believe that puts her in the "against" column.

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EaglesFan

Jan-20-13 5:28 PM

The problem with your live of right to work us that the unions are still legally required to represent the workers who chose to not pay dues. Will the Chamber of Commerce represent a business that doesn't become a member?

My mother in law is a Walker supporter and was a union worker in the public health care industry. he was not living high on the hog before, mind you. They have now taken away Saturday overtime from her, but she still has to work (for straight time). Why didn't Scotty take the right to collective bargaining away from police officers?

Public unions are just a start, private ones will be next. Then you will see distinguished companies like Kraft and 3M who realize that if they compensate their workers fairly, the unions will stay away, begin to lower the compensation packages of their workers.

Hold on Michael, we're in for a wild ride. The early 1900's will resurface.

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EaglesFan

Jan-20-13 4:52 PM

Michael is looking in his Bible right now for a verse that says that workers should not have rights, that slavery is a good thing.

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middleclassworker

Jan-20-13 4:30 PM

Tongue tied, MT?

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Auntydem

Jan-20-13 4:08 PM

Please name one republican who wants to eliminate child labor laws.------- Missouri State Senator, Jane Cunningham (R), introduced S.B. 222 which eliminates age requirements for child labor, restrictions on hours worked, restrictions on industries where they may work, and removes the authority of the state Labor Division to inspect records on child employees.

Wendy Long GOP candidate for US Senate (NY) held the Tea Party view that child labor laws, overtime, minimum wage, and labor protections in general are unconstitutional. The Congressional Tea Party caucus had 59 members (all GOP) prior to the recent elections. Member Sen. Mike Lee has called child labor laws unconstitutional.

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Auntydem

Jan-20-13 3:42 PM

Name one republican who wants to eliminate unions.-----------“I love that we are one of the least unionized states in the country…We don’t have unions in South Carolina because we don’t need unions in South Carolina…And we’ll make the unions understand full well that they are not needed, not wanted, and not welcome.” Nikki Haley, SC gov, who also spoke against unions in her speech at the Republican convention.

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Auntydem

Jan-20-13 3:22 PM

Please name one Republican who advocates eliminating minimum wage.----------Ron Paul was asked “Do you advocate getting rid of a minimum wage?” and replied, “ Absolutely, and it would help the poor.” Michele Bachmann - “Literally, if we took away the minimum wage— if conceivably it was gone — we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely.” Republican John Raese of West Virginia (candidate for president ) advocated ending minuimum wage laws.

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middleclassworker

Jan-20-13 3:15 PM

Svensota, don't you know that the government's role in stimulating an economy is to go to war, sometimes two? Handing out tax cuts and borrowing money from China at the same time works even better.

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middleclassworker

Jan-20-13 3:14 PM

Maybe part of the problem is that none of the people in the banking industry that were part of this mess ever saw one day of prison time.

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middleclassworker

Jan-20-13 3:10 PM

I'm glad you asked, MT. Newt Gingrich was one of the many who spoke in support of eliminating child labor laws. In fact, he called them "stupid". Missouri Senator Jane Cunningham also wants to accomplish this. Proposed legislation in Maine would have ended the limit on the amount of hours worked by a minor. The list goes on and on.

I don't need to give you examples of republicans that want to eliminate minimum wage. Google gave me over 5.3 million links on the subject.

As far as eliminating unions, you had Mitt Romney, MN State senator Dave Thompson, MN Rep. Steve Drazkowski, Governor Walker, to name a few.

I guess I don't get how you can honestly say that you don't see what is going on around you.

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svensota

Jan-20-13 2:16 PM

Now, MIT, "there you go again".

You are throwing out absolutes when more subtle variations on a theme are what happens, and happened.

I would strongly argue that saving General Motors and Chrysler and three million jobs (yeah, yeah, lets niggle that number for 42 posts) was money well spent. Ditto the stimulus money/projects, only we didn't spend enough to fully prime the economic pump due to the usual Republican obstructionism.

What all you Austrian economist lovers and dewy-eyed post-Reaganites forget was the mental state of the economic system when it almost collapsed in 2008, and in the 1930's, especially. (Think Fascism, Communism, "A New Wave", Chuck Lindbergh, the KKK, et al.)

There is a political component to Keynesian thinking as well as an economic one. The markets are based on confidence. Sometimes it needs to be propped up significantly to avoid total disaster.

You GOPper/TPers always dismiss that component in the pretend-world you so long to liv

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oteron

Jan-20-13 11:24 AM

The past is relevant. Regan tripled the deficit, Bush doubled it. The lowest spending president in 50 years is obama. Silly humans.

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middleclassworker

Jan-20-13 8:45 AM

So tell me MT how electing the party that wants to eliminate minimum wage, child labor laws, overtime, unions, many banking and Wall Street rules, corporate taxes, public school funding...you get my drift...is going to allow you and me to have a good life?

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svensota

Jan-20-13 1:39 AM

MIT: Ah, for the "invisible hand" of capitalism.

You have been nicely sheep-dipped in right wing economic theory. If your economic tactics are so correct how do you explain the debacle in Europe? We are far ahead of those fine folks in the recovery.

It's all relative, my wooly friend.

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svensota

Jan-20-13 1:31 AM

MIT: Only you are honorable, obviously.

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