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Fair share fee draws comment

NUACS letter urges board to rescind the system

February 15, 2013

NEW ULM — During a work session Thursday, the District 88 Board of Education heard an overview of a fair share fee system for extra-curricular activities, and an update on the six-period day at the......

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Kirby34

Aug-16-13 8:49 AM

Integrity-I thought you looked/sounded familiar. You are the author of past posts to NU Journal articles that has rather strong negative opinions at anything involving ISD 88, including teachers, administration, COACHES, school board members, etc. But you certainly support Bob Weier.......interesting.

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Integrity

Feb-17-13 2:56 PM

I think most of the people here are asking about the same question. If a child attends a parochial school, where do the taxes that those parents pay, go to? The public school system. So, looking at it from that angle - money in for a student that won't be attending that school, then the public school system DOES profit from a parochial school student. It's simple economics, is it not? The school system is a system all property owners contribute to, I understand that, but if you have a child, and you choose not to utilize the taxes you've paid and send them to a parochial school - your choice. That's not what we're arguing, our argument is that child is not costing near the money to the school district that one is that's attending the public school, therefore, in a sense of the word, the school district makes a "profit" on a parochial student. Then, if that's the case, why do they have to pay more if they let them coop extra curriculars?

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middleclassworker

Feb-17-13 12:41 PM

"Please don't forget- it is the parochial schools' choice to pass the extra cost on to the parents. Since the schools themselves benefit, why don't they absorb some of the cost as well? ISD88 is not the bad guy here. "

Just WHO do you think is paying for non-public education, if not the parents and the churches that support them? How easy to say to just have "the schools" absorb the cost. Obviously, you have never been on a school board and balanced a budget.

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middleclassworker

Feb-17-13 12:33 PM

Thank you, Ring. I have supported every referendum that has come before me in the past. I will keep your snotty attitude in mind next time I decide if I will support another one.

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Ring2003

Feb-17-13 9:39 AM

MCW- Go to a school board meeting and get some facts instead of basing your opinion on something "I heard". There is no profit being made off of parochial students. And if that is what you are truly being told by parochial administration, shame on them for not being honest.

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middleclassworker

Feb-17-13 12:51 AM

*does

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middleclassworker

Feb-17-13 12:51 AM

I have heard from numerous parochial principals that the district foes receive money for the parochial students. The district does provide busing, some textbooks and title services, but from what I understood, they come out ahead.

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JessicaB1976

Feb-16-13 5:42 PM

Very well stated gophersrock and Ring! Year after year after year the music people feel they are immune to the budget issues this district faces.

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Ring2003

Feb-16-13 2:35 PM

District 88 would receive state funding for parochial kids IF those kids are special ed students. The district is required to and does supply services for those specific students.

Integrity, it IS pretty one sided and "gift" is not the wrong word to use. The district isn't in a position to pay more out of pocket for parochial students than their own students just to not alienate or to get better players, if that is what you are getting at. And yes, I do place more importance on academics than athletics. Both are important, but academics should come first.

Please don't forget- it is the parochial schools' choice to pass the extra cost on to the parents. Since the schools themselves benefit, why don't they absorb some of the cost as well? ISD88 is not the bad guy here.

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gophersrock1

Feb-16-13 11:23 AM

Why not alternate band every other day during the school year. Many schools our size with very successful programs do this. It allows kids to take both. How come the industrial tech program was impacted more significantly by declining enrollment, than the choir and band programs. Could it be that their supporters lobby school board members? How can we justify offering individual lessons for band and choir, while cutting core area teachers with rising class sizes. I was in band in high school and I understand the importance of fine arts in education, but we also need to maintain reasonable class sizes. It is sad to see over the last ten years how badly our business and industrial tech. programs have been gutted, while others remain untouched. Every time there is a proposed cut, the choir supporters claimed the sky is falling, and come crying to the school board. Hopefully the new board will see through all this and look at the entire educational picture.

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Integrity

Feb-16-13 9:00 AM

Ring2003: careful what you wish for then. I will be curious to see what the athletic situation is down the road for the ISD88. Take a look at all the athletes in all the sports that aren't ISD88. All you're going to do is alienate them and parents are going to discourage them from playing that sport. It's not as 1-sided a situation as you think (a "gift"), the ISD88 athletics needs some of these kids...sorry for not having ALL my facts correct, but be careful what you wish for, unless you don't put a lot of importance on athletics...

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mnsotn

Feb-15-13 10:32 PM

My understanding is that the district DOES receive state dollars for kids that attend the parochial schools in New Ulm.

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JessicaB1976

Feb-15-13 8:47 PM

Schnauser-Are you kidding? How many students that graduate from NUHS move onto careers in Ind. Tech and Farming compared to music...A TON! If money was not an issue, by all means, offer different choices in the fine arts area, but in the current state of affairs I am sorry, the core subjects needs to remain the strong. It just seems every single year the music people whine. They need to look at the big picture and realize the electives are going to take a hit before the the core subjects.

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Schnauser

Feb-15-13 5:50 PM

Typical New Ulm responses. The public school system should not have to support any other students other than their own for anything. If a parent wants a child to participate in a particular sport or whatever the pubic system offers and it is that important to them, then they should send the kid to the public school. Talk about whinning, I think we have a few pots calling the kettle here. As far as music goes B1976 last time I checked it was a pretty important part of this particular community, it also happens to be the universal language and Bob Dylan, Harold Loefflemacher, Judy Garland and many many more were from "rural outstate schools"

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Schnauser

Feb-15-13 5:39 PM

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RightOn

Feb-15-13 4:17 PM

Regardless of how the money does or doesn't come back to the school district, private school parent are already paying their "fair share" and just as much as the public school students' parents in the form of state and local taxes including the referendums currently on the books. Why should they be required to pay more? Sounds like a problem at the state level and private school parents should not be further penalized because of it.

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Ring2003

Feb-15-13 3:11 PM

Here is what is not being understood by the below comments. When a student is not enrolled in District 88 Public Schools, no matter where they reside, the district does not receive the state allotted funding for those students. That means the school district has to pay EXTRA for students who are not public school students to participate. Why should they have to do this? Paying the fair share evens the cost for school district. The district has covered these costs in the past, which was a gift. It is time to pay your fair share. Going to a parochial school is a choice. Why in the world would it be a priority for the district to put dollars in to subsidizing non-public students in an extra-curricular activity? This referendum was to stop the bleeding and maintain programs without further cuts. Parents and concerned individuals should attend a school board meeting and get the whole story before spouting off on here or working themselves up over something that they don't fully understand.

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deerhunt

Feb-15-13 10:54 AM

Funny how when they were passing the referendum they do it to help protect things such as this , must have been false advertising. Taxes go up and services get deleted , never seems to change. Wonder what is coming next. Let's just throw more money at it , that has got to help ,right?

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Integrity

Feb-15-13 8:15 AM

I agree with catch22, most of the NUACS and MVL coop kids are "district 88" kids. At ANY time they could just transfer and not pay the extra fee because they live in the district. Why separate them on a technicality of what school they go to? Their parents pay the same as parents who send their kids to ISD 88!!

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JessicaB1976

Feb-15-13 8:07 AM

Let me guess...Music Boosters packed the room and whined how about how they are getting the shaft. If the six period works better for the core subjects, then its working! Why do we never see FFA, Phy ED, and Industrial Tech whinning?????? They have felt the effects the same as music! My husband works for a business that deals with farming. Every year he sets up a booth at the local career fair and has a ton of NUHS 10th graders stop by his booth. Now booth for a career in music. I think FFA and Industrial Tech are a little more valuable to the students of this rural outstate school.

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catch22

Feb-15-13 6:52 AM

My kids attend public schoool, but I agree with the coop schools, these parents are already paying the referendum tax increase. However, how about increasing the fees for just the "out of district" families? i.e. Sleepy Eye and possibly some MVL students, depending on the resident school district the family lives in? You will not see community backup to pass another referendum if you continue to "bite the hand that feeds you"!

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