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Obama should allow Keystone XL pipeline

February 24, 2013

Perhaps President Barack Obama should worry more about the American people than about environmentalists who have bullied him during his first four years, never satisfied with his own stridently......

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PastResident

Feb-26-13 7:48 PM

"THE OIL WON'T BE SOLD TO THE UNITED STATES CONSUMERS"

Actually, you don't know that to be a fact either. their current target market may be overseas, but I highly doubt they would turn down US buyers.

This is why I still think new refineries in North Dakota would be our best option. The Canadian's oil market would be opened up, but the US workforce would be used to refine it. The same refineries could handle the North Dakota supply which, I believe is being trucked to various refineries around the country now. A shorter pipeline for the oil would be needed, but I suppose to be truely effective additional pipelines may be in order to distribute the finished product, so the environmental impact would probably be the same as the current design.

In other words, we should build something that is mutually beneficial.

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Hippie

Feb-26-13 7:43 PM

Are the Canadian paying the US for the right to use our land for their monetary gain? I have read about this oil pipeline and I believe it will pass because someone in the US is going to profit from it. Not us normal folks though.

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middleclassworker

Feb-25-13 10:26 PM

When an editorial that was written by a staff writer spews false information as truth, THAT is where the problem lies.

I have no problem with the writer having an opinion that thus project should go through. I have no problem with the writer saying that our President is making a mistake. It's the false statistics that are presented as fact. That is an insult to good journalism. If we can't trust the "facts" given to us on page 4 of The Journal, how can we trust the "facts" on page 1?

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middleclassworker

Feb-25-13 10:21 PM

JREADER: what part of THE OIL WON'T BE SOLD TO THE UNITED STATES CONSUMERS can't you get through your thick skull? Why do we get to have a say who they sell it to? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PIPE IT ACROSS OUT LAND.

Unbelievable.

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Schnauser

Feb-25-13 6:05 PM

You're off base again JR, everyone has a right to his or her opinion, no one has a right to be wrong on their facts.

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JReader

Feb-25-13 10:06 AM

MCW,

Just what can be deemed inaccurate about one person's opinion ?

You seem to lack the understanding of just what an editorial is supposed to be.

People seem to think that there is some obligation that the Candian oil companies have to sell their product only to the United States. They, like any company will sell their product to the highest bidder.

What this editorial points out and the Obama adminstration fails to realize is the Kestone project would positively impact U.S. energy policy. The more oil that can be refined domestically where we are void of war and political strife creates greater stability in the world wide markets. Obama seems quite willing to roll the dice hoping things will "settle down" in places like the Middle East and North Africa. This type of gamble isn't worth in my opinion especially if we have a much better solution in our own back yard.

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PastResident

Feb-25-13 8:23 AM

Fine. Open uo the market in the US to more Canadian oil. Shut the Venezuelans and OPEC down.

Their would be LESS demand for OPEC oil on the global market if the US was out of it.

Flint Hills does refine Canadian oil. But how much caan they boost production at their current facility? Can they handle even the oil coming from North Dakota? Could they handle the quantity it would take to get us off our enemies oil? How old is that facility? What is the estimated life span?

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middleclassworker

Feb-24-13 9:07 PM

I don't know if Mr. Sweeney wrote this editorial it borrowed it from another Oweb Newspaper, but I am really disappointed that they published a piece with so many inaccuracies. It degrades their credibility. I have yet to see where this promises to put fuel in US automobiles or lessens our imports from other nations.

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middleclassworker

Feb-24-13 9:02 PM

I tend to agree with you, PR, but are you aware that Flint Hills Resources in the metro area already processes Canadian oil? There is already a pipeline going to that refinery.

If the Keystone pipeline project goes through, the markets will open up for Canadian oil and thus the demand and price will go up. I've heard that gas prices in the Midwest could go up by 10 to 15 cents if that happens.

If you haven't browsed through the study on it by Cornell University, take a look at it. It would be bad for America, as proposed.

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PastResident

Feb-24-13 6:51 PM

Somebody needs to get om the stick and build a refinery in North Dakota. Near where we're pulling it out of the ground. Let he Canadians build a pipeline to that new refinery, then pipe or truck the finished product to its final destination.

Why don't WE become the Canadian's final market. We could quit buying from the Venezuelans and OPEC. Save $$ on shipping raw oil from overseas. Save $$ on shipping gasoline back up from the southern states. The Canadians could build 1/3 of the pipeline that was proposed, saving the $$(C). We could team up with distribution from the North Dakota fields and the Canadians which SHOULD save everyone $$.

If I had a few billion dollars I'd do itr myself. Who's in with me?

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deerhunt

Feb-24-13 6:09 PM

The reason we don't refine it here is because nobody has built another refinery since the 70's due to the regulations,enviromentalists feel it is better to ship it around the world and bring it back here and let countries with substandard refineries do the work. In the long run we are creating alot more pollution than if we did it here under tighter controls ,creating jobs,and we are going to use the oil and gas until there is a viable ,cost effective alternative.Above ground transport makes more sense than shipping it around the world in ships that can have something go wrong and spill into the ocean uncontorlably.

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deerhunt

Feb-24-13 6:07 PM

The reason we don't refine it here is because nobody has built another refinery since the 70"s due to thre regulations,enviromentalists feel it is better to ship it around the world and bring it back here and let countries with substandard refineries do the work. In the long run we are creating alot more pollution than if we did it here under tighter controls ,creating jobs,and we are going to use theoil and gas until there is a viable ,cost effective alternative.

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middleclassworker

Feb-24-13 5:16 PM

This pipeline will not help the US oil market. I see no reward for taking the environmental risks. This company has a very poor resume to begin with. Let Canada cross their own land to get to the ocean OR supply the US with oil.

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Avoice

Feb-24-13 11:38 AM

Maybe we need to have the pipeline go thru. Despite "maybe" paying higher prices at least we would not be "investing" our money in such projects as this which have been proven only to be bankuptcy outcomes. *******watchdog****/62420/co-secret-energy-lab-spawns-million-dollar-govt-employee/

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Avoice

Feb-24-13 11:25 AM

Auntydem, maybe you want Canada to build a canadian pipeline to the west coast for which they can sell crude oil on the open market at substantially higher prices back to the USA. Should that happen 20 to 30 cent price increases will be miniscule.

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Nusenior

Feb-24-13 11:25 AM

Keystone XL Pipeline. When the line is opened the oil will be sent to Houston TX.Then shipped of shore to be refined to gasoline and heating oil.Then shipped back to the mainland of the U.S. The mostly place to refine the Keystone XL oil is the Hovensa refinery located on the island of St Croix U.S. V.I. The refinery, has a capacity of about 500,000 barrels per day, and is owned by the American Hess Corporation and the government Venezuela. The refinery was closed in February of 2012, when oil from Venezuela was cut off,before closing the refinery supplied gasoline and heating oil to the Eastern U.S.Hess Corporation announced this week they have opened talks to sell the Hovensa refinery. So the Canada oil will mostly come to the U.S. but at no saving to Americas.

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Auntydem

Feb-24-13 10:00 AM

That oil is coming here to be refined, and when refined it is for export, as Trans Canada has made clear from the start. The pipeline will allow them to reprice their oil at the global benchmark, giving them an increase of $2 billion to $4 billion a year, according to the company's own estimates presented in its application to Canadian authorities. Gas prices in the US will go up. Consumers in the Midwest are expected to pay 10 to 20 cents more a gallon for gas and diesel.

In 2011 Dem Congressman Markey asked TransCanada's to support a condition that would require the oil from Keystone XL to be used in the United States. The company refused, saying that would cause refineries to back out of their contracts. US companies like Valero who plan to buy some of it for their Gulf Coast refineries are in Foreign Trade Zones where oil is exported to international buyers without paying U.S. taxes. They plan to export the oil. How nice

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