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The right to bear pressure cookers

April 23, 2013

To the editor: I dread thinking of when Obama will stand with family members of victims of the Boston Marathon disaster and, with a tear in his eye and a lump in his throat, demand Congress enact......

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svensota

May-02-13 9:23 PM

By the way, your wife sounds like a wonderful lady.

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svensota

May-02-13 9:22 PM

JR: We might come to some point of agreement, yet.

I don't disagree with your last post. It's a realist's viewpoint. However, in the long, long run, small measures won't change anything, either. I prefer the gigantic-bonk-on-head approach. As I've said often on this site, it will take 100 years. And, several generations down the road, the change will eventually kick in--much like the long paths to equality for women, gays, and Blacks.

Not years, but decades, even centuries

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JReader

May-02-13 10:17 AM

Yeah Sven my wife says I need to meditate more...

Ok how about this. I believe in personal responsibility. You know, when you've had a few too many and call yourself a cab. Our government can't legislate this. When they try, and beleive me they do, all they end up doing is oppressing those of us who get it; those of us that do call the cabs.

So, will new gun laws do anything ??? Well, they will make politicians bent on legislating personal responsibility on the masses feel all warm and fuzzy that they've accomplished something. But, it will do nothing the spare the grief of the next round of parents will feel when some school shooting involving mass murder happens yet again - and it will happen again, unfortunatley.

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svensota

May-01-13 12:55 PM

JR: Don't get all huffy, now. Read your own post...s l o w l y. You know what you meant, but it's not what you wrote.

Take a deep breath, fella.

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JReader

Apr-30-13 8:50 AM

Sorry Sven but once again you totally missed the point...

We don't need the government to tell us what is right and wrong - we all have you and Michael T. to do that. It's because of people like you that we don't need any police cars in Hanska.

Thanks for being there for all of us, Sven. We all owe you an immense debt of gratitude.

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svensota

Apr-29-13 9:29 PM

JR: I totally agree.

As you wrote so brilliantly, each individual needs to do evil or stupid things for themselves without big brother's help and coaxing.

Your best post yet. Keep up the good work.

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JReader

Apr-29-13 9:43 AM

As much as they might try, our government will never be able legislate away evil or stupid. At some point each individual citizen of our country needs to do those things for themselves without big brother's help and coaxing.

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mnsotn

Apr-27-13 5:46 PM

Catch22, the answer is: Maybe.

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mnsotn

Apr-27-13 5:46 PM

Catch22, the answer is: Maybe.

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svensota

Apr-27-13 2:27 PM

Catch: No, you can't use your pressure cooker. It's a menace to society and should be constitutionally banned. Remember, it's not the pressure cooker but the weirdos who use them that cause all the destruction. There is only one use for a pressure cooker, and that is to ruin perfectly good food. Also remember, pressure cookers are lot like cars.

There, that should pretty well sum up everything.

I suppose the crayon guy will disagree.

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catch22

Apr-27-13 11:27 AM

Oh... I better clarify that last comment before someone jumps all over me... I was being facetious....

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catch22

Apr-27-13 11:24 AM

So...after all of these comments of gun control etc. I still have a question????

Can I still use my pressure cooker?

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middleclassworker

Apr-27-13 10:37 AM

Thank you for the clarification, PR. I really can't say that I take issue with conceal and carry. I like the provisions built in to that legislation that helps to ensure that permits are issued to responsible people.

I was referring to the loopholes (maybe they really aren't loopholes) that allow people to sell guns privately to felons or someone who doesn't possess the skills and responsibility to handle a firearm. (Remember, it is legal to SELL a gun to a felon, it is not legal for a felon to BUY a gun).

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PastResident

Apr-27-13 9:33 AM

middleclassworker

You may be able to buy it, but you can't legally carry it. (Note the wording in my previous post.)

And since police are usually required to carry a gun, that's what my references were based on.

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caring1

Apr-27-13 2:28 AM

This started out as one of my most stupid comments I have seen in the Journal this far. People were hurt badly (was it one of you)? A child was killed (anyone you were related too)? keep the uncaring bad humor to yourself and put your self in these families shoes and imagine how their feeling right now. No time for jokes. The Most kind, wonderful american action I have seen was today on the news when other people who in war have lost a limb that are trying to help these people to know what they will be feeling and going thru and trying to support them What have you done besides make jokes. Shame on you.

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middleclassworker

Apr-27-13 12:06 AM

PastResident, that is stretching it. I can buy a gun from some guy down the street and I don't have to do any of those things.

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svensota

Apr-26-13 10:28 PM

Fisher: Probably ninja swords and nunchucks, too .

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svensota

Apr-26-13 10:20 PM

JR: And, I say, don't give 'em the option to CHOOSE what they want to do with their blinkin' guns. If they don't have them, then there is no problem.

To riff on a highly regarded analogy: If drunk drivers had their cars taken away--permanently--we'd see a lot less of those idiots on the road. Of course, I might start shooting at texters pretty soon. (Some dimwit 17-year old drove into my bumper the other day at a stop light, texting away. "Hey, man, like, I'm really sorry.")

Repeal the 2nd. (And move the dang driving age up to 26.)

It started at a grass-roots level and swept the nation...

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Fischer

Apr-26-13 10:10 PM

Sven....that includes bow and arrows also.

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PastResident

Apr-26-13 6:48 PM

“Aren't police required to show proficiency? “ Yes. So is anyone else who legally carries a gun.

Aren't police required to know when it is legal to use lethal force and when it is not? Yes. So is anyone else who legally carries a gun.

Aren't police subject to a background check upon employment? I’d hope so. Anyone else who legally carries a gun also is subject to at least one background check.

"If we could expect the same responsibility and liability from Joe Blow citizen, of which 95% would have no problems attaining, I would say we have a good compromise."

Excellent! Because those 95% of people you reference are already responsible and liable for their own actions.

Now what do we do about the criminals?

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PastResident

Apr-26-13 6:39 PM

"...untrained citizens have bought extremely powerful and dangerous weapons ..."

What do you define as "extremely powerful"?

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JReader

Apr-26-13 6:29 PM

Turbo:

Where are the statistics showing all of those untrained and unqualified gun owners ? Or is it just more of a "feeling" ?

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JReader

Apr-26-13 6:26 PM

Sven:

A gun only becomes lethal when a person makes it so. A car only becomes lethal when a person makes it so. There are nearly as many deaths by drunk drivers as there are homicides by the use of a gun (less than 300 difference in 2011). If you throw in texting and other distracted drivers driving is more deadly.

The number of guns in our country is irrelevant. What people choose to do with guns is relevant. The second part is where our focus should lie.

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svensota

Apr-26-13 6:02 PM

JR: Whether or not "the overwhelming number of gun owners have never shot and killed a person" is...irrelevant. The PURPOSE of a gun is to propel a bullet at extreme velocity to inflict damage on whatever is being aimed at--an animal, a person, or a "target" (often in the shape of a...tah, dah...person). What is relevant, to me, is that there are 300,000,000 guns out there, all with the same purpose. The potential for mayhem is astronomical.

The purpose of a gun isn't to be a paperweight or a display item of machismo (well, maybe) or a toy. It's to blow a hole in something or somebody in as quick and as deadly a manner as possible.

I think the solution to the problem has to be drastic. It will take at least a 100 years to turn it around. But, we have to start somewhere...soon.

That you don't agree is your business. That you want to use the gun/car analogy, I think, is misleading and just more of the same Pablum rhetoric of the right and the NRA in particu

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middleclassworker

Apr-26-13 5:42 PM

The guy up north had every right to shoot those two teens (assuming that he wasn't expecting them, luring them in and waiting for them to come in, then it just gets creepy). He did not have the right to kill them after they were down and no longer a threat. Waiting 24 hours to report it didn't help, either.

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