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Phone records grab is overreaching

June 11, 2013

In the post 9/11 world we live in, we expect to pay a cost in some personal liberties for the sake of national security....

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Reason2Puke

Jun-11-13 7:30 AM

Ya think? Even the most staunch supporters of this ridiculous administration have to admit that this is getting out of control. After blaming Bush, of course.

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Integrity

Jun-11-13 8:18 AM

Don't worry, there's already another cover-up scandal to surfacing to distract everyone from this one so the administration can continue to abuse the political powers many of them were appointed to. See state dept. investigations on prostitution cover-up for the latest....what a great administration!!

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japanviking

Jun-11-13 9:23 AM

Go back and examine the voting in 2001 and 2006 in both the House and Senate where there were huge majorities in favor of this program, well over 60% in both cases. All these same issues were debated back in 2001 and have been monitored by FISA and the Congressional over sight committees since. For me the issue of Mr. Snowden is separate from whether or not you think the program is legal on constitutional. As a retired Navy veteran and a Defense Contractor with a Top Secret clearance I don't care whether Mr. Snowden thinks what he did was just or not (that is actually not his call to make) he has committed a Federal Crime. Anyone who has ever had a Top Secret Clearance knows you sign documents when you receive it laying out the penalties you will face (severe) if you divulge classified information. It is up to the legislative bodies that wrote this law to change it if appropriate and not Mr. Snowden.

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Avoice

Jun-11-13 9:38 AM

japanviking, I would agree with you regarding the leaking of the classified information as being a crime. What I have a problem is with the original purpose was to protect our country but has developed into something far exceeding it's original intended purpose. I find the surveilance of every call being somewhat of overreach. As a matter of fact, if the surveilance has been in effect since 2001, why were they not able to identify the activites of the two bombers in Boston? IMHO, I would think they would be monotoring calls/visits between countries as it seems most bombers have had their training in foreign countries. MO is this is a data mining expedition paid for by the taxpayers to further the power of someone who is yet to be identified and probably will never be.

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japanviking

Jun-11-13 11:20 AM

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japanviking

Jun-11-13 11:23 AM

Avoice I agree with a lot of what you said in your post. I would only caution that even with this level of surveillance not everything will get caught. The Boston bombings is an example of this as they were brothers so I would guess the vast majority of the planning and discussion about this was not done on the phone and telephone calls between two brothers no matter their ethnic origin would be a red flag.

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japanviking

Jun-11-13 11:24 AM

Should read: telephone calls between two brothers no matter their ethnic origin would NOT be a red flag.

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svensota

Jun-11-13 12:24 PM

The are over 30 spy satellites in elliptical orbits 30 miles up collecting ever bit of data hurled out into the atmosphere by every human on the Earth. NSA has been collecting a gazillion megabits of information every minute of every day of every month of every year for the past 30 YEARS.

It was code named ECHELON and was a big deal secret until about 2000.

Check it out.

Oh, and by the way, there are more employees at NSA than at the CIA and FBI combined.

Ever wonder what they do all day.

Play Scrabble, ya' suppose?

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middleclassworker

Jun-11-13 2:18 PM

I don't like this administration, but it could be worse. We could be saying 'President Romney".

I've said before that we had poor choices. If the best Republicans could find was a draft-dodging, job outsourcing tax cheat who's own state of Massachusetts didn't like him, then they didn't look very hard.

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svensota

Jun-11-13 5:55 PM

Sure. Or, before The Mitt, how about President Maverick and Vice President Hot Babe. Or, before that, President "W" Doofus and V.P. Darth Vader. Oh, whoops, that last one really happened.

The Republicans will self destruct again in 2016. It will be fun to watch as Hillary just sits back and lets the GOPpers make fools of themselves.

What a great country!

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Avoice

Jun-11-13 9:44 PM

svensota must be feeling the same leg tingle Matthews felt about this president. Too bad Matthews found out it was a tick bite - so svensota better check.

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svensota

Jun-11-13 10:52 PM

I have limes disease, Avoice.

Too many gin and tonics.

No, wait, there's no such thing as too many gin and tonics.

But, you're right about one thing, Avoice, they do make me tingle...all over.

(I was just kidding about your being right about anything.)

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svensota

Jun-12-13 5:26 PM

I'm so stunned. SIX highly intelligent people disagreed with me that this is a great country.

How un-American. Shame on you.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

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Auntydem

Jun-12-13 8:13 PM

IF the surveillance has been in effect since 2001? Essentially the same story broke in 2006.

USA Today 2006 - "The Bush administration began a secret surveillance program in 2001, asking AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth to turn over communications records to the National Security Agency to create a database of every call ever made within the nation’s borders.”

Then in 2007 Verizon was caught secretly monitoring customers on behalf of the federal government. Verizon asserted that what Congress called illegal surveillance was actually a form of protected speech.

PRISM's first corporate partner was Microsoft, in 2007. Other companies slowly joined.

How to end these illegal activities? Make them legal. The 2007 Patriot Act and 2008 FISA Amendments Act that protects companies from legal action for handing information over to government.

Blame Bush, blame Congress, blame Obama,blame communications corporations, blame us all – but don’t just forget about it again.

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