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Two faces of Republicanism

October 20, 2013

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Zorromcgee

Nov-08-13 12:38 PM

Puke- the wars the GOP/consrveatives started based on lies? Are those the wars you mean? The ones Obama is trying to get us out of? And the reason we had to borrow money from china was to fight 2 wars(agaist nations that never attacked us)and pass the debt on to the next president! And what irony is there in a pregnant woman fainting? Do you join with Palin in findaing that amusing? or do you just not understand the word "irony".

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Reason2Puke

Oct-25-13 8:25 PM

Doesn't the fact that there are at least 1,321 sections in this monstrosity of a bill give you pause, at all?

Let's all skip past the obvious as we rush to defend the minutiea.

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Auntydem

Oct-25-13 7:56 PM

JReader - Not only does section 1321 of the ACA indicate that a federally operated exchange IS the exchange established by the state in a state electing not to operate its own exchange directly, but section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code specifically refers to federal exchanges in requiring all exchanges — state and federally operated — to report to the federal government on the amount of advance payments of premium credits that taxpayers receive. That provision would make no sense if people purchasing coverage through a federally operated exchange weren’t eligible for the credits and clearly demonstrates Congressional intent that the tax credits be available in all states regardless of which level of government is operating the exchange.

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Auntydem

Oct-25-13 6:11 PM

R2Puke - "How can you possibly support Obamacare but have a problem with Medicare Part D". I don't. The point was a rough start is not something unique. My private insurance company's website is a disaster. Technology is a separate issue from a program or a policy; whether private or public.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-25-13 6:04 PM

Apparently Zorromcgee, you missed the irony of the diabetic pregnant woman who was standing behind the president as he touted the greatness of Obamacare, when she isn't even going to be on Obamacare. She has her own employer paid health insurance, AND HER RATES WENT UP.

So I take it from your comments that you feel that all is well. The continuation and escalation of expensive wars is fine, the wasting of money we have to borrow from China is great, and the complete failure of the rollout of this massive healthcare overhaul is a mere bump in the road toward an otherwise virtual state of nirvana?

Thank you for clarifying your position. You are right, it must be a state party head from North Carolina who is the real problem.

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JReader

Oct-25-13 4:10 PM

Or a law so poorly written that the only people who can take "advantage" of the tax subsidies are the ones who sign up for healthcare in the state exchanges. Those people in the 36 states that have the wonderful federal exchange to wrangle with are also out of luck receiving their tax subsidies.

I guess that's what happens when you pass a bill before you bother to read it.

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Zorromcgee

Oct-25-13 3:46 PM

Puke-like Sarah Palin who found it "hilarious" that a pregant woman with diabetes fainted, or Ted Cruz who missed the irony of reading "Green eggs and Ham" to protest something he has not tried, or Don Yelton who said he was glad new voting laws would keep "lazy blacks that wants the government to give them everything"from voting- are these the voices being shouted down? I hope to God they are.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-25-13 3:24 PM

When does it stop? Thankfully there are a small handful in Washington who are sounding the alarm bells. So far, they have just been shouted down and vilified by the supporters of more government and more spending.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-25-13 3:23 PM

I never thought that you did hate me, Svensota, you don't even know me. I also know that the two things you cannot give someone are happiness and prosperity. We have spent $3.7 trillion on welfare programs in this country since 2009, and our poverty rate is getting worse. When does learning take place? Our government and our elected officials have found a way to enrich themselves off of other people's suffering. Do you really believe that they actually want the suffering to stop?

The events of 9-11-2001 put us all in a fog that we didn't come out of until about, well, maybe never. But, some of us woke up to find that a progressive republican used those tragic events to dramatically expand government in our lives. Then we get the follow-up president, a progressive who leaves all of the spending in place for the foreign wars, and doubles down with massive domestic spending that will be hardwired into our economy for decades.

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svensota

Oct-25-13 2:13 PM

Puke: Let's get something straight here, and now. I do not hate you, or George W. Bush, for that matter.

I hate what the Tea Party is trying to do by it's economic terrorism strategy. I hate that we went to war over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist. And I hate that the right wing is so homophobic and anti-immigration and...on and on and on...in their Neanderthal worldview That's what I hate.

I'm in favor of helping those who didn't get dealt the same hand that I did. I'm in favor of universal healthcare. I'm also in favor of universal military training and service as a way of eliminating elitism.

I enjoy political banter. And, I enjoy throwing barbs and insults back and forth with you and your fellow TPers.

But I do not hate you, or anyone.

Now, go find a good Halloween costume. Think about dressing up as a troll

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Reason2Puke

Oct-24-13 5:44 PM

As far as being funded, inflation of money using the government printing press does not constitute "funding" of a bill. Not Medicare Part D, not Obamacare, not trumped up foreign wars and certainly not stimulus packages.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-24-13 5:41 PM

Thank you Auntydem for fortifying my argument. The federal government is not equipped or constitutionally authorized to manage massive benevolence programs. Obamacare is no different.

How can you possibly support Obamacare but have a problem with Medicare Part D, other than the party affiliation behind each?

I was, and am, vehemently opposed to both. The only party that matters to me is of the Tea variety, according to Svensota.

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Auntydem

Oct-24-13 5:29 PM

Yes, Part D was "perfection" from day one....The unfunded $400 billion program that President Bush signed into law in December 2003 was needlessly complex for seniors and unnecessarily expensive for taxpayers. Rather than having the government negotiate prices directly with pharmaceutical firms and add drug coverage into the traditional Medicare program, President Bush and his Republican allies in Congress instead gave recipients subsidies to purchase plans from private insurers. Making matters worse, millions of "dual eligible" already receiving drug coverage from Medicaid had to switch to the new scheme, a process that left millions unable to pay for their prescriptions for weeks in early 2006. But for tens of millions of seniors, Part D was better than the alternative: nothing.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-24-13 11:54 AM

Calling someone "The Perfect One" is a deflective tactic used by those who cannot argue the point, but hate the fact that the point exists in the first place.

I will let you in on a little bit of your future. Hating me because I am absolutely right on Obamacare is not going to get better for you any time in the near, or distant future.

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svensota

Oct-24-13 10:42 AM

You're....you're...you are...

So many errors. Such lack of perfection.

I could never join the TP.

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svensota

Oct-24-13 10:40 AM

No one can show you where your wrong, Puke. You are flawless...The Perfect One. And, we are all thankful that you are here, posting away, keeping the Republic true and free and inspired.

Well, you and Ted Cruz, that is.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-24-13 9:27 AM

There is a difference between incompetence and ideological disagreement. I disagreed with No Child Left Behind, starting and fighting wars that were chronically unfunded, and Medicare Part D. But, as for how they were rolled out and managed, they pretty much went as planned, again, regardless of the misguided nature of the plan.

Incompetence is when you have three years to prepare for the rollout of your signature piece of legislation and the engine that drives that rollout is so embarrassingly inadequate that it puts your entire presidency in question. Obamacare is proving to be misguided ideology managed by incompetent people. The result will be very expensive and tremendously damaging to our society. I hope that someone out there can show me how I am wrong, because this is depressing to watch.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-23-13 10:59 PM

Really? I don't remember the government shutdown or the massive enrollment problems with Medicare Part D.

Why you gotta be hatin' on GW anyway? He was as much of a big government progressive as you are, Svensota.

The only difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush was not born to a communist, raised by communists, mentored by communists, taught by communists and trained by communists. Oh, and Bush's father was not a radical communist from Kenya. And, I guess one more thing, Bush's IQ is about 30 points higher than our current failure in cheif, and that is not meant to compliment George W. Bush.

People only care about what you accomplish, not what you attempt.

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svensota

Oct-23-13 10:35 PM

It's all the fault of George W. Bush. He set the bar way too high for total incompetence.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-23-13 8:50 PM

I agree. The Obama messes are so plentiful in Washington, it's hard to know where to start.

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svensota

Oct-23-13 8:44 PM

Puke: Come on, man. I thought you were brighter than that, and could see through our smokescreen.

The whole reason we've gummed up the ACA roll-out was to take all the pressure off the dark secrets of Benghazi.

And, has anyone mentioned Syria lately?

Nope. See, it's working.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-23-13 7:42 PM

Better save that crow for yourself brother Sven. A DEMOCRAT is introducing a bill to delay the individual mandate for a year, and the president is "mulling it over". I think I've heard that idea somewhere before. The difference, it makes sense now that the rollout has become comical.

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svensota

Oct-23-13 7:19 PM

Blooz: Thanks for the apology. Ever since President Barrack Hussein Obama was reelected, I've become a gentler, kinder, sweeter hard-core liberal.

Hugs, big guy. Hey, bring the Mrs. and come on over for Thanksgiving dinner. We're serving crow to all of our right wing friends...friend.

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bloozboy

Oct-23-13 1:23 PM

I must admit you were pretty mild with the insults to me on your post, Sven. I guess there's a first time for everything. But I'm so used to getting slammed by you (along with so many others who don't agree with your point of view) that I just expected it. My apologies.....

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svensota

Oct-23-13 12:40 PM

Honey Boo Boo? Wasn't she a stripper up on Hennepin back in the '80's? I think she was renown for her substance and style.

Good choice for a role model, Puke. Thumbs up.

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