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Time to OK?pipeline

February 4, 2014

Enough is enough — unless, apparently, you are President Barack Obama, determined to please your radical environmentalist supporters....

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-06-14 8:13 PM

JReader Your wrong, they do work or you wouldn't get a patent for them, the patent office wouldn't pass it through. I wrote earlier that the oil companies sued him to stop his invention from being sold and then he died in 2008.

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JReader

Feb-06-14 10:01 AM

That's just it Turbo nobody has ever sold a working Howard Johnson motor because they don't work. You can buy the plans for one on the internet that's the only way you'll ever make a dime on a Howard Johnson motor. You know what they say about a fool and his money. If you want to spend your money on anything Howard Johnson related I'd say get a room hopefully one with a pool and a free breakfast.

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TURBO75

Feb-06-14 8:54 AM

Whoa, chill there Lunk-Wall, I did not mean to question your expertise in the fields of physics and electro-mechanical engineering. Will you be selling your world changing device at Wall-Mart or Best-Buy? I want to be the first in line to get one. My neighbor and his son also built one of those Tesla cars, their name for it was "Soap Box Derby" car. Their are a few technical issues to work out yet, like the fact that it only runs down hill, but they are confident they can work those out.

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deerhunt

Feb-06-14 8:47 AM

Walleye , I will anxiously be waiting for the day when the Journal puts you on the front page for creating the power source that propels us into a totally green environment . How much longer do you think I will have to wait ,days ,years?

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 10:55 PM

Turbo By the way, that car Tesla made ran on it's own without recharging!

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 10:49 PM

Turbo Your not to bright are you? Do you know anything about electricity or Nikola Tesla? He had the electric car over 100 years ago and they took his papers after he died, nobody seemed to know what happened to them. Kind of funny that it didn' stop people from making them again, did it? Go research the ideas of these people and Howard Johnson. Patent numbers US 9,151,431, US 4,151,431 and US 5402021 A Look at those smart guy and you will see that they are already there. You cannot get a patent unless it works Mr. Brilliant One!

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TURBO75

Feb-05-14 9:07 PM

Thank you Lunker for keeping your invention under wraps, if your secret were to get out it would destroy the American economy. Hundreds of thousands of workers in the fields of electrical generation and distribution would be out of work. From the local REA workers all the way up to the largest power plants, all rendered usless because of your invention. And to think it is all happening in a little basement in New Ulm. This Howard Johnson guy, is he the same one that started the hotel chain?

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middleclassworker

Feb-05-14 6:42 PM

The only long term jobs that will be created in the US from this pipeline are in the oil spill cleanup field.

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 6:23 PM

Deerhunt The one I would need for my house would cost about $3,500.00 and I would have to manufacture it the same way Howard Johnson did. I already made a small one that works but came up with a different cheaper way to use one and it works also, believe it or not! I have been working on it with a friend of mine that has three degrees in Math,Science and physics for about a year and half. It works, believe it.

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deerhunt

Feb-05-14 4:22 PM

Walleye, you have found me out , I am one of the evil Koch brothers. I assume you are running your household with your perpetual motion machine . You must want to keep it a secret instead of taking your information public and making millions of dollars like us Koch brothers.

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 3:25 PM

Turbo, You must sit around in the house all day thinking of ways to gain benefits from the new marijuana laws that are going to get passed here in Minnesota. You weren't related to the guy that just got busted in the paper today, were you? Go read up on free electricity and Howard Johnson before making stupid statements like that!

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 3:21 PM

Deerhunt You must be delusional if you think it will create jobs. Theonly jobs it will creat are the ones to build it and then they will get layed off. The other problem is the route they are proposing through the Ogallala water aquifer spot which is not going to happen when everyone in the Dakotas and Nebraska rise up against it. It is the only aquifer that is untainted. Another thing, we will not be getting anything from the line as it is going directly overseas. You must work for the evil Koch Brothers? As far as magnetic perpetual motion goes, go and read up on it before making statements about something you know nothing about. Look up Howard Johnson's three patents which I have done and it is viable.

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TURBO75

Feb-05-14 1:49 PM

Seriously, the perpetual motion machine? Do you still believe in Santa and the Easter bunny?

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deerhunt

Feb-05-14 12:35 PM

Walleye , jobs would be created , inspection and maintenance of the pipe , people running the export facility and we would also have a means of pulling the oil off the line for US consumption instead of buying it from overseas. Maybe you prefer to get oil from people that just plain hate us , I would rather negotiate with the Canadians and keep the oil in the states. As far as you perpetual motion machine ,how many magnets would it take to power a car , it would have to overcome the added weight of the magnets also. You would be talking thousands of pounds of magnets to come up with enough power to just get the car to move , much less accelerate and run accessories. This sounds too good to be true or maybe conspiracy theory.

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 11:11 AM

Deerhunt Another thing, they already have come up with alternative energy which was Howard Johnson's perpetual motion magnetic motor back in the 70's and the oil companies sued him to shut him down. They have had this alternative energy around since Tesla. These oil companies are the worst thing this country has had around since the automobile came out. They do not care about you or me when it comes to pollution, they only care about the almighty dollar!

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-05-14 11:07 AM

Deerhunt I don't think you understand, we are not going to make money from this or gain any jobs from this so tell the Canadians to pipe their own oil out to their own shorelines, not here!

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TURBO75

Feb-05-14 9:03 AM

One week The Journal is complaining that Obama has the nerve to make decisions without full support of everyone, the next week they complain that he should be making decisions despite the opposition by certain groups. The Journals opinion page has become a space filler, take it away, along with the dog and cat ads and you have nothing left.

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deerhunt

Feb-05-14 8:49 AM

Look at the rail incident they had by Courtland a few years ago when it derailed right on the bridge by HWY 68. Wasn't there just a large derailment in North Dakota? You have to choose between the lesser of two evils sometimes. Until we find alternative energy we will rely on these fuels just to live and the infrastructure needed to bring it to our front doorstep. I'm not saying it is the perfect answer , but sometimes we have to step back and look at the big picture. And yes, people will make money off of it , look in your retirement plan , you may be one of them.

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deerhunt

Feb-05-14 8:43 AM

Walleye , how are pipelines not part of our infrastructure? Where do you think a majority of natural gas and propane are transported. Would you feel safer having all fuels trucked around the country ? Pipelines are a cost effective ,"green" way of transporting fuels. Maybe you would feel better if Canada uses our rail system or semi's to move it across our country? Our current green energy is no where near capable of supporting our needs. A $240,00 solar panel generates $6,000 worth of electricity per year, and the output fades over time. A 40 year payback is hardly feasible. Unless you are living by candlelight, we all depend on energy to survive .We could survive with out 4 lane highways ,try surviving without heat or electricity for just one day. This infrastructure is more important than a lot of other things. You have to choose between trucking/rail or pipelines. I would think pipelines are safer .

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Lunkerwalleye

Feb-04-14 8:10 PM

Deerhunt: Pipelines are not part of our infrastructure and creating jobs. All it is is creating more revenue for the idiot oil barons that want to sell it to foreign countries and cause more pollution! Lookup all the problems they have created in Canada with the tar sands and the spills they already have done, then look at your water supply that you would condone destroying due to these pipelines that will eventually have leaking problems plus the fact it would be running right through the only untainted water aquifer in the US which is the Ogallala! Fracking has destroyed the rest of them.

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middleclassworker

Feb-04-14 6:38 PM

I guess you can't say "Tyc00n". I bet you can't say C00n Rapids, either.

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middleclassworker

Feb-04-14 6:37 PM

I am all for investing in infrastructure that serves the public good. We need to invest in improved roads and bridges. We need good rail systems. We need reliable infrastructure that transports water, sewer, electrical, communications, natural gas and fuels for the use of our citizens. The KeystoneXL project is not about serving the needs of Americans, it is about serving the wants of Canadian oil ty***** in their quest to make more money at the expense of the environment. Why should we risk all the pipeline spills and environmental damage that will inevitably come from this project? There really are very few jobs that will be created from this, and most of them won't be permanent.

Keep up the good fight, friends! When the American Citizens become informed, projects like this do not happen!

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middleclassworker

Feb-04-14 6:32 PM

The bottom line is that this pipeline is not at all about helping the states that it crosses. It is about getting crude oil from Canada to other countries. Yes, some of it will be refined in southern refineries, but what is in it for us? I'm glad that so many of you realize this. It is good to see that the truth is getting out about this debacle.

Much of the reason why propane is so high is because so much corn needed to be dried this fall. There is a solution to that: Convince the farmers to burn ethanol in their corn dryers. We should also convince the ethanol plants to burn ethanol in their boilers. It makes absolutely no sense to burn exorbitant amounts of fossil fuels so that we can manufacture a "green" energy source out of food, at the expense of the environment and the water table.

If there is a need for more refineries in northern states, I would be open to that. I have not heard of a shortage of refining capacity at Flint Hills Resources.

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deerhunt

Feb-04-14 4:13 PM

18 month highs I could live with , limited delivery and $6.50 /gallon propane crushes the average guy . If you burned 800 gallons a year your bill would go from $1200 /year ($1.50 propane) to $5200/year . That is a big difference, plus the fact that you are on limited supply ,possibility of running out. They said that one propane company up north did quit delivering because they were unable to get any. I cannot verify that ,just local talk. That is a scary situation .

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deerhunt

Feb-04-14 4:08 PM

Aunty , I did talk to two propane companies and they said it was due to the farmers drying more corn this year and the pipeline being shut down. They said this pipeline is the one that served the upper Midwest and that in spring it will be reversed . Then they started going to Kansas for propane , eventually they were limited on what they could receive there. Now they have to go to Texas to get propane. The increased cost of transportation is fueling the increase according to them . I looked up the spot price for propane a few weeks ago in Texas and it was at $1.50 /gallon. Pipelines are so much more cost effective in moving this product versus trucking. They said they expect propane to remain high next year due to the pipeline shutdown. My point is that we need more infrastructure such as pipelines, maybe not necessarily the Keystone if it is for export only. I would guess the weak dollar also factors into the amount of exporting. I would also guess the cold weather is to blame.

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